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    Unbreakable combat cane and walking stick? Which one?

    I usually carry a BO staff when hiking. This can not allways be carried without getting kicked out of somewhere for having a weapon.

    I want a handicap looking cane for places that I cant have anything else such as an air plain, no carry zone, etc. I want to put a rubber bottom on and use it for defense. This needs to look like a tradition cane so I can take it anywhere. Who makes the best ones? Are any unbreakable?

    Found these

    http://www.combatcanes.com/Why_Canes_.html

    I want an unbreakable walking stick for when I can have a firearm and the stick will not matter. I have found these two. This would be carried where they area is no restrictive.

    http://www.coldsteel.com/citystick.html


    http://www.coldsteel.com/irishblackthorn.html

    Any other ideas?


    I am taking a few classes for cane specific fighting.

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    Re: Unbreakable combat cane and walking stick? Which one?

    The cold steel city stick would probably be my first choice, although I do know at least one LEO who mentioned that he'd arrest anyone carrying a CS city stick.

    Your best bet would probably be a rattan one. I'd probably buy one of the 54" staffs that the dog brothers sell, cut it to length, add a handle to it, oil it so it's stronger and heavier and then add some polypropylene to it so it looks like a nice walking cane. http://dogbrothers.com/store/product...roducts_id=119 If the sticks can last through them beating each other full force with them pretty regularly, it should last for most stuff you're going to do with it.

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    Re: Unbreakable combat cane and walking stick? Which one?

    Why do you need it? Not why do you want it, but based on your post, why do you need it?

    Quote Originally Posted by kip42 View Post
    I usually carry a BO staff when hiking. This can not allways be carried without getting kicked out of somewhere for having a weapon.
    If you get kicked out for carrying a weapon, don't go in there with a damn weapon! Don't look for ways to circumvent the rules or the law, you have no need.

    Quote Originally Posted by kip42 View Post
    I want a handicap looking cane for places that I cant have anything else such as an air plain, no carry zone, etc. I want to put a rubber bottom on and use it for defense. This needs to look like a tradition cane so I can take it anywhere. Who makes the best ones? Are any unbreakable?
    Why, are you expecting to get attacked every three seconds? Seriously, get some reality, and lose the paranoia. Personally I will have no part in humouring or encouraging you.

    Quote Originally Posted by kip42 View Post
    I want an unbreakable walking stick for when I can have a firearm and the stick will not matter. I have found these two. This would be carried where they area is no restrictive.
    Seriously? You will have a cane for when you can have a gun and don't need it?!? That doesn't even make sense! Lose the fantasy, lose the paranoia, and get some reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by kip42 View Post
    I am taking a few classes for cane specific fighting.
    Normally I'd say good, but here, I will have no part in encouraging you. Point your instructor towards this thread, and the others you have posted, if they still want to teach you, fine. Personally, I'd sit you down for a very long chat, and see what your future may hold.
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    Re: Unbreakable combat cane and walking stick? Which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Parker View Post
    Personally I will have no part in humouring or encouraging you.
    I was thinking the same thing myself. He keeps posting nearly identical threads week after week that basically fall into two categories.

    1. I want a stick I can carry around that no one will realize is actually a weapon.
    2. I want a "real" sword, although I don't intend to use it in any way.

    I don't think he is taking classes. I think he might be watching DVDs, but that's not at all the same thing.

    News flash Kip, a trained fighter will always see a stick as a weapon no matter what shape it is or who's carrying it. A trained fighter will recognize it immediately, because he's looking for something to hit you with, and you happen to be holding something right there. If you bring a stick to a self defense situation and you have no training and no concept of reality, your opponent will simply take it away and shove it up your ass. Same with a sword. Same with a gun.

    Some teenage kids tried to rob one of the pizza places I used to work at with a rifle one day. They came in with masks on and started shouting and pointing it at people, and the rough men who worked their laughed in their faces and told them to go home before they got their own rifle shoved up their asses. Carrying a weapon doesn't make you a bad ass. Knowing how to use one might, but that requires the serious study I don't believe you are engaging in.

    Good luck to Kip. But to me he sounds like a delusional fan boy or a deliberate troll. Who cares what stick he buys off the internet? He's just going to repost this thread next week all over again.


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    Re: Unbreakable combat cane and walking stick? Which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by kip42 View Post
    I usually carry a BO staff when hiking. This can not allways be carried without getting kicked out of somewhere for having a weapon.

    I want a handicap looking cane for places that I cant have anything else such as an air plain, no carry zone, etc. I want to put a rubber bottom on and use it for defense. This needs to look like a tradition cane so I can take it anywhere. Who makes the best ones? Are any unbreakable?

    Found these

    http://www.combatcanes.com/Why_Canes_.html

    I want an unbreakable walking stick for when I can have a firearm and the stick will not matter. I have found these two. This would be carried where they area is no restrictive.

    http://www.coldsteel.com/citystick.html


    http://www.coldsteel.com/irishblackthorn.html

    Any other ideas?


    I am taking a few classes for cane specific fighting.
    Don't waste your money. Go to a Farm and Feed store and buy a "Stock Cane." They're hickory (which is pretty much synonymous with "unbreakable").

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    Re: Unbreakable combat cane and walking stick? Which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skpotamus View Post
    The cold steel city stick would probably be my first choice, although I do know at least one LEO who mentioned that he'd arrest anyone carrying a CS city stick.
    It had better be against a local ordinance or it will get challenged in court and probably thrown out.

    Your best bet would probably be a rattan one.
    I disagree. Unless the rattan shaft has some sort of weighted head, then a more traditional wood works better in my experience.

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    Re: Unbreakable combat cane and walking stick? Which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Parker View Post
    Why do you need it? Not why do you want it, but based on your post, why do you need it?
    Why is it any of our business to judge his 'need'? To be honest, I don't want any body judging whether or not I "need" something and I doubt you do either.


    If you get kicked out for carrying a weapon, don't go in there with a damn weapon! Don't look for ways to circumvent the rules or the law, you have no need.
    I disagree. Self Defense with a weapon is superior to SD without one. Weapons are so that the smaller, weaker, less well trained, and out-numbered have a chance against the stronger, larger, better trained, and more numerous. So it makes sense to look for one that is legal in a given area. This is fairly common here in the U.S. where there are some locations in which firearms (for instance) are restricted or prohibited but a person interested in Self Defense might still want to have some legal recourse such as a stick.


    Why, are you expecting to get attacked every three seconds? Seriously, get some reality, and lose the paranoia. Personally I will have no part in humouring or encouraging you.
    Do you carry Fire Insurance on your house? Why are you expecting your home to burn down any second; lose the paranoia! Do you carry Medical Insurance? Why are you expecting to contract a life threatening illness every second; lose the paranoia! Seriously now, a SD weapon is not because you're "expecting" to get attacked at any second, it's because you can't predict when you might be. Just like your Fire and Life Insurance. It's nothing more than forethought and preparation.


    Seriously? You will have a cane for when you can have a gun and don't need it?!? That doesn't even make sense! Lose the fantasy, lose the paranoia, and get some reality.
    Reality? Is that the same reality where LEOs only carry a gun because they don't ever need lower force options such as a baton, stun-gun, or pepper spray? The reality is that if you are considering carrying a SD weapon capable of deadly force then it also makes sense to consider (at the minimum "consider") carrying something capable of lower Force levels.


    Normally I'd say good, but here, I will have no part in encouraging you.
    "Not encouraging" is not synonymous with lambasting. Maybe you didn't intend it, but the tone of this post is condescending and adversarial, anything but helpful. It's not consistent with your usually polite and helpful posts.


    Point your instructor towards this thread, and the others you have posted, if they still want to teach you, fine. Personally, I'd sit you down for a very long chat, and see what your future may hold.
    Please do.

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    Re: Unbreakable combat cane and walking stick? Which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thesemindz View Post
    a trained fighter will always see a stick as a weapon no matter what shape it is or who's carrying it.
    More often than not, this is true. But I've also known a lot of "trained fighters" who glance past canes without a second look in normal, every day, life. LEOs are more likely to see a cane as a potential weapon in my experience.


    A trained fighter will recognize it immediately, because he's looking for something to hit you with, and you happen to be holding something right there.
    You know, unless he's carrying his own.


    If you bring a stick to a self defense situation and you have no training and no concept of reality, your opponent will simply take it away and shove it up your ass. Same with a sword. Same with a gun.
    Horsefeathers. While training certainly (and often dramatically) increases your capabilities of use and your odds of effectively using a weapon in Self Defense, it is simply untrue that not having training will only result in the weapon being taken away and used against you. This becomes more true as the weapon increases in lethality and simplicity of use. A base ball bat is not simplistic to take away from someone who has it cocked back and is ready to triple-play your skull. But is is a little bit less difficult than a knife. And, as for a gun, I'm still looking for any, even one, instance where a person who was fully prepared to use a firearm in self defense (as opposed to waving it around and betting on simple intimidation) had it "taken away and used against them" regardless of their training. Seriously, where's the examples? There was one fella a few years back who offered a substantial cash reward for anyone who could come up with one verifiable account. The cash went unclaimed.


    Some teenage kids tried to rob one of the pizza places I used to work at with a rifle one day. They came in with masks on and started shouting and pointing it at people, and the rough men who worked their laughed in their faces and told them to go home before they got their own rifle shoved up their asses.
    They were counting on intimidation and had their bluff called. And that's all it was, a bluff. Had they come in and actually started pulling the trigger, those rough men would have been perforated and you would, instead, be recounting the story of the massacre you lived through.


    Carrying a weapon doesn't make you a bad ass. Knowing how to use one might, but that requires the serious study I don't believe you are engaging in.
    No, it doesn't require "serious study." It requires a willingness to use it. I've lost track the number of stories of some yahoo with little-to-no training shooting a bunch of people. Same for stories of some lunatic on a stabbing rampage. Just today I was listening to a news story about a robbery victim in the ICU from a hammer. None of the users had any "serious study" under their belts (I've never even heard of "Claw-Hammer Fu"). What they did have was a willingness to use the weapon to hurt someone else. "Serious study" is for people like me who want a hobby or an "edge" over someone else who has a weapon and the intention to use it.


    Good luck to Kip. But to me he sounds like a delusional fan boy or a deliberate troll. Who cares what stick he buys off the internet? He's just going to repost this thread next week all over again.
    He might be, but that doesn't mean that we should post stuff that isn't true in an effort to discourage him.

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    Re: Unbreakable combat cane and walking stick? Which one?

    You're right Kirk. I was conflating serious study with the willingness to use the weapon, and that's not correct. Thank you for correcting me. The reason I took that stance is because my exposure to this particular poster makes me think he's only about fantasy and bluffing, and would be on the receiving end of his own stick, which is why I posted that anecdote. But you're right, I was wrong. An untrained person who's willing to do violence is definitely a greater danger than a trained person who is not. But here, I see an untrained person with no real understanding of violence at all.-Rob
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    Re: Unbreakable combat cane and walking stick? Which one?

    Hi Kirk,

    Quote Originally Posted by lklawson View Post
    Why is it any of our business to judge his 'need'? To be honest, I don't want any body judging whether or not I "need" something and I doubt you do either.
    Firstly, I didn't judge his needs, I asked what they were. And my question was based on his previous posting, as well as the content of his post here. But really, it's got little to do with judging, it's more about being a responsible member here, and providing the best advice that I can, based on all knowledge I have... and if that advice amounts to "grow up", that's what I'll give.

    With the case of yourself, you and your experience with weaponry are known, and frankly you would never post such a question in the way Kip has, so judging your needs wouldn't enter into it.

    Quote Originally Posted by lklawson View Post
    I disagree. Self Defense with a weapon is superior to SD without one. Weapons are so that the smaller, weaker, less well trained, and out-numbered have a chance against the stronger, larger, better trained, and more numerous. So it makes sense to look for one that is legal in a given area. This is fairly common here in the U.S. where there are some locations in which firearms (for instance) are restricted or prohibited but a person interested in Self Defense might still want to have some legal recourse such as a stick.
    I'm not arguing that self defence with a weapon can be superior, but if you are purposefully carrying an item specifically to use it as a weapon, self defence or not, then we start to get into real iffy territory legally speaking. Buying something specifically as a "super unbreakable combat cane", especially if he's after something that can be disguised as a "handicap looking cane", we're into police questioning his motives...

    "So, you're handicapped?"
    "No, I just carry this cane for self defence"
    "You don't think that making yourself look weaker may put you in more danger of being attacked?"
    "That's why I have my cane"

    And heaven help him if and/or when they find this thread with him asking for it (and the other threads he's started....)

    And really, from a practical point of view, he's going to be carrying a cane/stick with him everywhere?

    Quote Originally Posted by lklawson View Post
    Do you carry Fire Insurance on your house? Why are you expecting your home to burn down any second; lose the paranoia! Do you carry Medical Insurance? Why are you expecting to contract a life threatening illness every second; lose the paranoia! Seriously now, a SD weapon is not because you're "expecting" to get attacked at any second, it's because you can't predict when you might be. Just like your Fire and Life Insurance. It's nothing more than forethought and preparation.
    Sorry, Kirk, I've heard this argument far too many times to be taken in by it (and, for the record, the answer to most insurance questions for me is "no"). There is a big difference between having insurance for an unforseen event and going out and getting a deliberately intended weapon to carry with you, circumventing the legal requirements wherever you go. Insurance isn't paranoia, feeling you need a weapon with you at all times is.

    Quote Originally Posted by lklawson View Post
    Reality? Is that the same reality where LEOs only carry a gun because they don't ever need lower force options such as a baton, stun-gun, or pepper spray? The reality is that if you are considering carrying a SD weapon capable of deadly force then it also makes sense to consider (at the minimum "consider") carrying something capable of lower Force levels.
    You seriously kick off Kip's adrenaline, and even if he's got both, he'll reach for the gun every time. Why? Because he's hardwired to go for the most powerful thing available against a threat (same as everyone), and that will not be the lower force option. The conscious mind goes straight out the window, so logic can't be applied here. Really, I'd suggest not carrying either, but that's me. That's why I was asking how dangerous the area that Kip lives in is, and how much violence he sees daily, especially as regards to himself being the target.

    Quote Originally Posted by lklawson View Post
    "Not encouraging" is not synonymous with lambasting. Maybe you didn't intend it, but the tone of this post is condescending and adversarial, anything but helpful. It's not consistent with your usually polite and helpful posts.
    Yeah, that's a very fair call. But, as with Thesemindz, my take here is coloured by my previous experience with Kip and his posts. He comes back every few months to ask the same questions he's asked before, never taking into account any answers, and always filled with this "super martial arts" fantasy, going up against the evils of the world. If he does show a change to that, I'm more than willing to help, but so far that has yet to be seen. For instance he just started another thread yesterday (same time as this one) asking again a question he's already had answered 6 months ago.
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    Re: Unbreakable combat cane and walking stick? Which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Parker View Post
    Hi Kirk,



    Firstly, I didn't judge his needs, I asked what they were. And my question was based on his previous posting, as well as the content of his post here. But really, it's got little to do with judging, it's more about being a responsible member here, and providing the best advice that I can, based on all knowledge I have... and if that advice amounts to "grow up", that's what I'll give.

    With the case of yourself, you and your experience with weaponry are known, and frankly you would never post such a question in the way Kip has, so judging your needs wouldn't enter into it.



    I'm not arguing that self defence with a weapon can be superior, but if you are purposefully carrying an item specifically to use it as a weapon, self defence or not, then we start to get into real iffy territory legally speaking. Buying something specifically as a "super unbreakable combat cane", especially if he's after something that can be disguised as a "handicap looking cane", we're into police questioning his motives...

    "So, you're handicapped?"
    "No, I just carry this cane for self defence"
    "You don't think that making yourself look weaker may put you in more danger of being attacked?"
    "That's why I have my cane"

    And heaven help him if and/or when they find this thread with him asking for it (and the other threads he's started....)

    And really, from a practical point of view, he's going to be carrying a cane/stick with him everywhere?



    Sorry, Kirk, I've heard this argument far too many times to be taken in by it (and, for the record, the answer to most insurance questions for me is "no"). There is a big difference between having insurance for an unforseen event and going out and getting a deliberately intended weapon to carry with you, circumventing the legal requirements wherever you go. Insurance isn't paranoia, feeling you need a weapon with you at all times is.



    You seriously kick off Kip's adrenaline, and even if he's got both, he'll reach for the gun every time. Why? Because he's hardwired to go for the most powerful thing available against a threat (same as everyone), and that will not be the lower force option. The conscious mind goes straight out the window, so logic can't be applied here. Really, I'd suggest not carrying either, but that's me. That's why I was asking how dangerous the area that Kip lives in is, and how much violence he sees daily, especially as regards to himself being the target.



    Yeah, that's a very fair call. But, as with Thesemindz, my take here is coloured by my previous experience with Kip and his posts. He comes back every few months to ask the same questions he's asked before, never taking into account any answers, and always filled with this "super martial arts" fantasy, going up against the evils of the world. If he does show a change to that, I'm more than willing to help, but so far that has yet to be seen. For instance he just started another thread yesterday (same time as this one) asking again a question he's already had answered 6 months ago.
    While I've grown to appreciate your viewpoints on carrying weapons, I don't agree with them-I do largely agree with you about Kip.

    I carry a cane-not all the time,and I don't need it to walk...yet..but I'm anticipating that if I live another 15 years it might be a help to me that way. I haven't needed to use it for self defense...yet, though my knee does trouble me enough to occasionally be glad to have the things. In the meantime, I do have a weapon that I'm trained to use, that is inoccuous and legal to carry, can be used in a non-lethal fashion,serves as another sort of tool when not as a weapon, and I can take pretty much everywhere, unlike my guns and knives.

    I carry a knife-not all the time, but pretty close. I use it to cut fruit, boxes, string, cables, cable ties, wires, meat on occasion. I've gutted and cleaned fish, rabbits, squirrels,turkeys, goats, coyotes, feral hogs, wild boar, javelina, chickens, lizards, snakes, deer,antelope, elk, and bison with it. I haven't needed to use these particular knives for self-defense....yet. In the meantime, I have a weapon that I'm trained to use, is inoccuous and legal for me to carry,is limited in non lethal uses, and I can take just about anywhere.

    I carry a gun-not all the time, but pretty close. When it comes to the decision to put it on and carry it, it has only one use, and the consequences of using it are of an pentultimate nature. While I've used firearms: pistols, knives and rifles-to kill rabbits, squirrels, coyotes, turkeys,wild boars, feral hogs, javelina, antelope, deer,bison(this one raised as livestock, and dispatched at close range for butchering, not on a hunt) and elk, I haven't had to use one for self defense....yet.

    So, yeah, he wants to walk around with a cane-if he's 16, like it sounds, rather than 51 like me, he'll look suspicious without a limp. But it's a safer choice all around than a gun or a knife-though I understand that those aren't options where you are......

    ...in that regard, I'd go with Mr. Lawson's advice: nothing beats a nice piece of hickory, and it's prettier than anything Cold Steel produces, and doesn't look as suspicious.
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    Re: Unbreakable combat cane and walking stick? Which one?

    For a good quality walking stick with self defense in mind, check out Jimmo the Cane Man:

    Jimmo has MS, but refuses to let the world pass him by...he knows of what he sells. Good guy, great products.

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    Re: Unbreakable combat cane and walking stick? Which one?

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    But here, I see an untrained person with no real understanding of violence at all.-Rob
    Fair enough.

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    Re: Unbreakable combat cane and walking stick? Which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Parker View Post
    And really, from a practical point of view, he's going to be carrying a cane/stick with him everywhere?
    I do. Even when I have a "superior" weapon such as a firearm, I still usually have my cane.


    Sorry, Kirk, I've heard this argument far too many times
    To be honest, I think you and I already did this dance. Thread should be in the archives somewhere.

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