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    Re: Wong Jack Man and Bruce Lee’s Private Match

    It is useful to reconsider what has been said before.
    Generally, people only know the Lee account of what happened.
    Not so much, who won, because no one wins a fight, in the long run.
    But what happened and what the people were actually like, what state of awareness were they in at the time.
    It is true that wong jack man was typically seen as a villian, defending the chinese communities dogmatic demand that no non-chinese should be shown chinese martial arts.
    In the movie Dragon, the Bruce Lee story, He is really shown as dishonest and vicious.
    Where during the fight, even after he lost he did a cheap shot and kicked Lee's back out, when in reality, his back injury came from lifting weights.
    I can imagine if I was wong jack man, as they used his name in the movie, and I saw that, knowing how I really was, and what happened, and knowing people would see that and just believe that is how it was.
    The director did say, he did those changes for dramatic purposes, but if the fight was just in response to Bruce Lee's challenge, then the whole premise is fiction.
    It just would likely be so surreal to be misrepresented for decades, if things didn't happen exactly as Bruce and Linda Lee said.

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    Re: Wong Jack Man and Bruce Lee’s Private Match

    What I find amazing about the Bruce Lee, Wong Jack Man fight is that it happened in 1964 and Bruce Lee died 9 years later and 40 years after Bruce's death and 49 years after the fight....we are still discussing/talking/arguing about it.

    As for the movie Dragon..it was just that a movie.. and not reality
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    Re: Wong Jack Man and Bruce Lee’s Private Match

    Well what else can we gossip? On the cover of tiger beat this month is
    1D holding puppies.
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    Re: Wong Jack Man and Bruce Lee’s Private Match

    Quote Originally Posted by oaktree View Post
    Well what else can we gossip? On the cover of tiger beat this month is
    1D holding puppies.
    I wouldn't know.... I don't read tiger beat.... and now you have me concerned that you do...which is MUCH better gossip that Bruce and Wong
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    Re: Wong Jack Man and Bruce Lee’s Private Match

    Quote Originally Posted by Xue Sheng View Post
    What I find amazing about the Bruce Lee, Wong Jack Man fight is that it happened in 1964 and Bruce Lee died 9 years later and 40 years after Bruce's death and 49 years after the fight....we are still discussing/talking/arguing about it.

    As for the movie Dragon..it was just that a movie.. and not reality
    Oh, thanks, I thought it was a documentary filming on things really happening.

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    Re: Wong Jack Man and Bruce Lee’s Private Match

    Tiger beat actually has extensive tiger form instruction and applications, but you need special glasses to read it, otherwise it looks like a bunch of teenage pinups.

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    Re: Wong Jack Man and Bruce Lee’s Private Match

    Quote Originally Posted by Napitenkah View Post
    It is useful to reconsider what has been said before.
    Generally, people only know the Lee account of what happened.
    Not so much, who won, because no one wins a fight, in the long run.
    But what happened and what the people were actually like, what state of awareness were they in at the time.
    It is true that wong jack man was typically seen as a villian, defending the chinese communities dogmatic demand that no non-chinese should be shown chinese martial arts.
    In the movie Dragon, the Bruce Lee story, He is really shown as dishonest and vicious.
    Where during the fight, even after he lost he did a cheap shot and kicked Lee's back out, when in reality, his back injury came from lifting weights.
    I can imagine if I was wong jack man, as they used his name in the movie, and I saw that, knowing how I really was, and what happened, and knowing people would see that and just believe that is how it was.
    The director did say, he did those changes for dramatic purposes, but if the fight was just in response to Bruce Lee's challenge, then the whole premise is fiction.
    It just would likely be so surreal to be misrepresented for decades, if things didn't happen exactly as Bruce and Linda Lee said.
    Or... Wong Sifu just didn't care enough to mention it after the fact.

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    Re: Wong Jack Man and Bruce Lee’s Private Match

    As with all things based on one's faith, actual events are left to interpretation.

    History is filled with inconsistancies, based on individual beliefs and perspectives...

    As I see it, two young early 20's, cocky, skilled martial artists fought each other to a draw. Each side interpreted the outcome to reconsile their ego.

    You can see this on the streets or in the dojo everyday. Only difference is the current group of 20 somethings have not been made famous as the MA's are widely known today.

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    Re: Wong Jack Man and Bruce Lee’s Private Match

    Quote Originally Posted by Napitenkah View Post
    Oh, thanks, I thought it was a documentary filming on things really happening.
    Sarcasm...good start...(and yes, that too was sacasm)

    The point was movies should not be taken to seriously and by your statement

    In the movie Dragon, the Bruce Lee story, He is really shown as dishonest and vicious.
    Where during the fight, even after he lost he did a cheap shot and kicked Lee's back out
    Sounded as if it was upsetting to you, sorry if I misinterpreted your meaning

    And this just brings me back too

    What I find amazing about the Bruce Lee, Wong Jack Man fight is that it happened in 1964 and Bruce Lee died 9 years later and 40 years after Bruce's death and 49 years after the fight....we are still discussing/talking/arguing about it.
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    Re: Wong Jack Man and Bruce Lee’s Private Match

    Quote Originally Posted by Xue Sheng View Post

    What I find amazing about the Bruce Lee, Wong Jack Man fight is that it happened in 1964 and Bruce Lee died 9 years later and 40 years after Bruce's death and 49 years after the fight....we are still discussing/talking/arguing about it.
    Dude... people still get all in a lather about Elvis, John Lennon & Jimi Hendrix. Why should this be any different to those of fan ilk. Said it before, say it again... Never liked or cared for Bruce Lee. I've talked with seniors in SF that were party to the incident.

    Hey look... isn't that a pink elephant over there??
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    Re: Wong Jack Man and Bruce Lee’s Private Match

    Quote Originally Posted by Xue Sheng View Post
    What I find amazing about the Bruce Lee, Wong Jack Man fight is that it happened in 1964 and Bruce Lee died 9 years later and 40 years after Bruce's death and 49 years after the fight....we are still discussing/talking/arguing about it.

    As for the movie Dragon..it was just that a movie.. and not reality
    And Wong Jack Man has lived a long and healthy life and has taught many many students in the meantime. He retired a few years ago.
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    Re: Wong Jack Man and Bruce Lee’s Private Match

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    Dude... people still get all in a lather about Elvis, John Lennon & Jimi Hendrix.
    They had a fight??? Who won?
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    Re: Wong Jack Man and Bruce Lee’s Private Match

    I'd say elvis he was a black belt and the king.
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    Re: Wong Jack Man and Bruce Lee’s Private Match

    Quote Originally Posted by clfsean View Post
    Dude... people still get all in a lather about Elvis, John Lennon & Jimi Hendrix. Why should this be any different to those of fan ilk. Said it before, say it again... Never liked or cared for Bruce Lee. I've talked with seniors in SF that were party to the incident.

    Hey look... isn't that a pink elephant over there??

    Yeah I know, and that amazes me too...now if you don't mind Jimi, Jim, Elvis and I are going out for coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Crane View Post
    And Wong Jack Man has lived a long and healthy life and has taught many many students in the meantime. He retired a few years ago.

    Well he has got some nerve for doing that after what he did...or did not do
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    Re: Wong Jack Man and Bruce Lee’s Private Match

    Quote Originally Posted by Xue Sheng View Post
    Well he has got some nerve for doing that after what he did...or did not do
    aye. So...who really won and who lost?
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