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    I have been checking many taekwondo demonstrations on YouTube and what really irritated me were those Taekwondo dance segments. Donít take me wrong. I like to combine dance with Taekwondo demos but only if there is some really good dance choreographer behind it. A person that has a really strong background in dance and experience with making choreography.

    What I have seen lately just makes me want to turn off my computer, because it just looks ridiculous to me. We are not dancers, we are martial artists and we should show that side in our demonstrations. We should show a high level of skill, discipline and respect. We should work with music of course but just as a support for our demonstrations.

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    Re: taekwondo dance

    I think you were watching XMA, not Taekwondo.
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    Re: taekwondo dance

    Quote Originally Posted by Balrog View Post
    I think you were watching XMA, not Taekwondo.
    No..no..TKD has its own little version too.



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    Re: taekwondo dance

    Sad. Great effort on the kids part.

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    Re: taekwondo dance

    Quote Originally Posted by Balrog View Post
    I think you were watching XMA, not Taekwondo.
    No, I did XMA once and I know the difference.. and you can't really compare TKD dance and good XMA class.

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    Re: taekwondo dance

    Quote Originally Posted by Markku P View Post
    No, I did XMA once and I know the difference.. and you can't really compare TKD dance and good XMA class.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxECm...eature=related

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    Right. The kids in the 3rd video that I posted are Sideswipe. They are on their way to Italy today to perform for our troops. A good XMA team like that is far better than the TKD Dance that I have seen.
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    Re: taekwondo dance

    YUP! pretty much left me disgusted. It was presented to us at the Masters Course in Chicago. Luckily I have run in to many TKDoin staying true to the art and keeping it alive. A portion of what it has become is just not for me.
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    Re: taekwondo dance

    Again, there are many martial arts practitioners out there (Bruce Lee, MMA or BJJ practitioners for example; not all but just an example) who feel any form work is no different than doing Taekwondo dance, that in fact a hyung, tul, or poomsae is just that, a solo dance.

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    Re: taekwondo dance

    The video above was being generous in that there was some form to it. What we watched was TKDoin literally doing dance moves with some kicks and chops. It was more like a cheerleader squad than martial artists.
    A far throw from some styles find forms to be dance like...a far throw.
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    Re: taekwondo dance

    Quote Originally Posted by Markku P View Post
    I have been checking many taekwondo demonstrations on YouTube and what really irritated me were those Taekwondo dance segments. Donít take me wrong. I like to combine dance with Taekwondo demos but only if there is some really good dance choreographer behind it. A person that has a really strong background in dance and experience with making choreography.

    What I have seen lately just makes me want to turn off my computer, because it just looks ridiculous to me. We are not dancers, we are martial artists and we should show that side in our demonstrations. We should show a high level of skill, discipline and respect. We should work with music of course but just as a support for our demonstrations.

    We shouldnít try to be something that we are not.

    /Markku
    If people knew about the indiginous native artform at the roots of our art and that the true dance tells a story or includes maping points it would be quite impressive I had many national GM's got up and danced with us doing Eskimo dance becaue it meant something related to survival and fighting. There is a dance shame most don't have a clue but I work with people who as close as you can get as they were 10,000 years ago

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    Re: taekwondo dance

    Quote Originally Posted by Master Dan View Post
    If people knew about the indiginous native artform at the roots of our art and that the true dance tells a story or includes maping points it would be quite impressive I had many national GM's got up and danced with us doing Eskimo dance becaue it meant something related to survival and fighting. There is a dance shame most don't have a clue but I work with people who as close as you can get as they were 10,000 years ago
    Please share. What I've learned suggests that Taekwondo is not that old and didn't come from 'an indigenous native art form.'

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    Re: taekwondo dance

    "If people knew about the indiginous native artform at the roots of our art and that the true dance tells a story or includes maping points it would be quite impressive"

    What are you talking about! You are going to compare a bunch of kids doing contemporary dance routines with a few kicks thrown in to Lady Gaga songs against Native folks arts. Talk about muddy waters.
    Look, you are right those folk art dances are wonderfull and help bridge time and culture. Thats not whats happening here.

    "native artform at the roots of our art "
    Really?? Playing that line. EVERYONE now knows the truth so its pretty embarrassing to still pull that 2000 year old line. Unless you mean some Okinawa inspired dance that you witnessed being introduced.
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    Re: taekwondo dance

    Those youtube videos are embarrassing. What a great way to disgrace Taekwon Do and trivialize traditional marital arts in general.

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    Re: taekwondo dance

    Quote Originally Posted by dortiz View Post
    YUP! pretty much left me disgusted. It was presented to us at the Masters Course in Chicago. Luckily I have run in to many TKDoin staying true to the art and keeping it alive. A portion of what it has become is just not for me.
    The stuff, as ridiculous as it is, might work in some places.
    That same group came to demonstrate at a small tournament that I went to two months ago in the St. Louis suburbs. One of the mothers of my students -- a Korean lady who's a classical pianist and successful business woman -- told me if she wanted her kids to learn dance she knows many real dance teachers. I think if someone tried to start teaching Taekwondo dance in my biz neighborhood downtown they'd be laughed at. Our dojang is located, close to an art district, with several real dance schools; near three universities, an orchestra hall and three theater venues.

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    Re: taekwondo dance

    Quote Originally Posted by dortiz View Post
    "If people knew about the indiginous native artform at the roots of our art and that the true dance tells a story or includes maping points it would be quite impressive"

    What are you talking about! You are going to compare a bunch of kids doing contemporary dance routines with a few kicks thrown in to Lady Gaga songs against Native folks arts. Talk about muddy waters.
    Look, you are right those folk art dances are wonderfull and help bridge time and culture. Thats not whats happening here.

    "native artform at the roots of our art "
    Really?? Playing that line. EVERYONE now knows the truth so its pretty embarrassing to still pull that 2000 year old line. Unless you mean some Okinawa inspired dance that you witnessed being introduced.
    Good post, Master Dan isn't the only one from an old culture, many here do as well, I actually come from two both of which have customs as old if not older than his. I don't believe there's any 'folk dance' element to TKD or karate for that matter. It's based on self defence/fighting skills whatever but not folk dance unless you count the Celts to whom fighting and dance are the same thing on a Saturday night!
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