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    Robert Bussey?

    Would anyone recommend any Robert Bussey DVDs for beginning Ninjutsu? I mean there are Dojos around but not in my town. And I cant afford classes....
    So is good for just beginner stuff about attacks and grapples? I was almost about to buy one but then I saw the Bujinkan TaiKai USA 2003 Last Ninja DVD and now I cant decide... Help?

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    Re: Robert Bussey?

    If you are looking for Authentic Budo Taijutsu then I would personally recommend starting with Hatsumi Sensei's Kobudo no Kihon. This can be purchased at: http://www.ninjutsu.com/store/produc...ctid=5953&js=n

    I would not recommend Robert Bussey's DVD's but that is just my opinion.
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    Re: Robert Bussey?

    I would also strongly recommend finding a Dojo or at the very least attending some Budo Taijutsu seminars to get started. Video's are good for referance material but not for learning first hand material you have not practiced before. Good luck!
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    Re: Robert Bussey?

    Thank you for the links!

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    Re: Robert Bussey?

    Sorry for double posting, but the edit button wasnt working for some reason...
    Anyways I think ill look into that but now I'm conflicted over that DVD you just recommended and Hatsumi's "Bujinkan TaiKai 2003" whcih is also 50$ and is 360 minutes long......so I looked at reviews all were good but one guy said that is just a documentary and teaches nothing.....

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    Re: Robert Bussey?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cowslayer View Post
    Sorry for double posting, but the edit button wasnt working for some reason...
    Anyways I think ill look into that but now I'm conflicted over that DVD you just recommended and Hatsumi's "Bujinkan TaiKai 2003" whcih is also 50$ and is 360 minutes long......so I looked at reviews all were good but one guy said that is just a documentary and teaches nothing.....
    What are you after?

    The Bujinkan TaiKai were seminars; they weren't set up to teach a new student, as I understand them.

    Personally, I'd look around. Check out some of the links that are stickied under the Ninjutsu forums; I know there's a link or two with dojo directories. You might be surprised to find that there is a dojo nearer you than you realize. (I know I was!)

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    Re: Robert Bussey?

    Well I'm just looking for a DVD that easily explain the basics of Ninjutsu. As for the Dojo, I did check but the closest is a 3 hour drive from my place and I didnt see the prices but I'm sure its expensive....Oh and BTW it was a Hatsumi Bujinkan Dojo...if anyone wants to know it was in San Francisco..so yeah really all I want to learn is some good fighting techniques as well as Stealth moves and weaponry.

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    Re: Robert Bussey?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cowslayer View Post
    Well I'm just looking for a DVD that easily explain the basics of Ninjutsu. As for the Dojo, I did check but the closest is a 3 hour drive from my place and I didnt see the prices but I'm sure its expensive....Oh and BTW it was a Hatsumi Bujinkan Dojo...if anyone wants to know it was in San Francisco..so yeah really all I want to learn is some good fighting techniques as well as Stealth moves and weaponry.
    If you haven't checked -- how do you know that it's expensive? I know that at least one of the instructors in San Francisco is very highly regarded... And almost certainly worth the time to train with. (He's also a member here on MT.)

    Even if you can only attend one class a week, maybe on a weekend (if any are offered), if it's something you're really serious about, there's no substitute for getting actual correction from an instructor. There are just too many things that don't show up on a camera, or that you need someone to draw your attention to... If you contact them, you might find out that there are other students closer whom you can train with, as well, that just haven't opened a school officially or registered it.

    You'll find numerous threads here on MT that go into depth about learning without a teacher... You'll find very few here that support it.

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    Re: Robert Bussey?

    Please allow me to explain something.

    There are some self defense forms that can be learned from things like videos. They are crude and not meant to make you some sort of expert. They teach you only enough to get by. Videos by people like Kelly McMann are like this.

    Then there are arts that require you to lay a very deep foundation to very demanding standards before you start to build on them. The progress is slow and must be done from the very start under a skilled teacher, but you can take the path a long way to mastery.

    I have seen some true ninjutsu. It falls into the latter group. Anyone who thinks that they can teach or learn from the start by means of video either has a very low level of understanding of the art, or is inspired more by money than a desire to help others.

    And from what I know of Robert Bussey, he is not a good representative of the art of ninjutsu. Perhaps you can do a search of past threads here to find out more about him. But any video course can't help you if you do not start your first lessons under a real teacher.

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    Re: Robert Bussey?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cowslayer View Post
    Well I'm just looking for a DVD that easily explain the basics of Ninjutsu.
    To be brutally honest, I don't think any DVD will "explain the basics of Ninjutsu".
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    Re: Robert Bussey?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigshadow View Post
    To be brutally honest, I don't think any DVD will "explain the basics of Ninjutsu".
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    Re: Robert Bussey?

    Indeed

    I would at least try a class at the nearest dojo to get a bit of the feeling.
    Maybe it's a good idea to seek for contact details of people that train there.
    You might get a chance for a ride along or maybe even a bit training with a few students that train for themselves besides their regular classes at the dojo.

    There are tons of those little "training groups" just seek and you'll find them

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    Re: Robert Bussey?

    You know this reminds me of a conversation I had with Jack Hoban when I last saw him. I was asking him about obtaining his ninpo book. I wanted to add it to my library.

    He quickly said "Why? You don't need it, you already know all that. That book was for people that don't train. Besides, it is in the past, there are no more."

    I think the same sentiment applies to many things.
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    Re: Robert Bussey?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cowslayer View Post
    Would anyone recommend any Robert Bussey DVDs for beginning Ninjutsu? I mean there are Dojos around but not in my town. And I cant afford classes....
    I suppose that the question that I'd ask is "What do you consider 'Ninjutsu'?"

    Robert Bussey never attained grade above 4th dan. After attending training in Japan, he declined an opportunity to take the 5th dan test, claiming that it was "demonic" and that it conflicted with his Christian beliefs, and also that Hatsumi-sensei and the other Japanese Shihan lacked "skill" and "power". When the Japanese heard about this, of course, they were suprised, since Bussey didn't voice any concerns to their faces. Apparently, since Bussey couldn't see their "power", Hatsumi-sensei told his shihan that if Bussey ever came back, to beat him within an inch of his life and send him packing (info via Noguchi-sensei).
    Of course, he then came back to the US and began to push himself as some kind of "American Ninja Master" & "King of Combat", thus creating a huge American Ninja empire.

    You may get some basic movements, or decent ukemi, but if you're looking for "Takamatsuden Ninjutsu", or anything close to authentic Japanese Ninja arts, Bussey's products would be the wrong direction to start with.

    I would say, save up for classes, or look into Bujinkan Shihan that have basic kyu rank vids/dvds. Yeah, & look into training groups that may not have schools. Many shihan know of outlying "satellite" groups that are run by dojo-cho, under the authority of proper shihan or sensei of course.

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    Re: Robert Bussey?

    Be careful of any video you buy period. Even the Bujinkan Shihan videos are poor at points.
    See the school for yourself. A membership in any school will not guarentee what you are getting is current or decent training. Though Seago Sensei is in that area and he is a very good and reputable practitoner from what I have seen. I met him years ago, he is a very pleasent guy in addition to being here on MT

    Bussey certainly lacks the subleties in his videos for a more pragmatic approach. I can see what he is getting at, but no I wouldn't call it Ninjutsu anylonger.

    I wasn't there in those years so I won't comment on his past.

    Caveat Emptor I think it the term to use.
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