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    Bujinkan vs. Gracie jiu-jitsu?

    I heard in class a couple weeks ago that one of the Gracies went to Japan to try and fight Hatsumi-sensei, but was rejected and accepted by Nagato-sensei, and Nagati-sensei handed the guy's butt to him. Is this true, and which Gracie was it (I hear Royce from some, Rorion from others)? Also, anyone who is in Japan who saw the fight? How did it go down? I'm curious!

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    Re: Bujinkan vs. Gracie jiu-jitsu?

    I'm skeptical of any post that begins with "I heard". What's the point?

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    Re: Bujinkan vs. Gracie jiu-jitsu?

    Rorion wouldn't go; he gave up Challenge matches long ago. Royce still fights, but not without a purse. One of thier students, possibly, and likely. One of the brothers? Fat chance...they don't leave their caves without mention of a dollar amount; the good old days of "anyone, anytime, anywhere" are gone. They served their marketing purpose.

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    Re: Bujinkan vs. Gracie jiu-jitsu?

    Wow, next time this one makes the rounds it will be Helio... Maybe one of the guys in Japan can offer their input, but here's the original version I heard: it was a student of a Bujinkan instructor who also teaches grappling.
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    Re: Bujinkan vs. Gracie jiu-jitsu?

    I tried my best to ask Nagato sensei as subtly as possible if the story was true during my visit in late 2004. The only answer I got out of him was "that was a long time ago".

    BTW, it was not a Gracie family member. I kind of doubt they have any interest in lingerie (hint hint).
    "The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make sense."

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    Re: Bujinkan vs. Gracie jiu-jitsu?

    Well "I heard" it from my teacher, so I would think it would be SOMEWHAT credible.

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    Re: Bujinkan vs. Gracie jiu-jitsu?

    About as credible as rumours and gossip from other sources, in other words, not so much.

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    Re: Bujinkan vs. Gracie jiu-jitsu?

    Quote Originally Posted by True Austinite View Post
    Well "I heard" it from my teacher, so I would think it would be SOMEWHAT credible.
    My teacher has claimed to be a reincarnation of Takamatsu.
    "The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make sense."

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    Re: Bujinkan vs. Gracie jiu-jitsu?

    When Gracie Japan Opened, Alex Modine brought a couple of guys from the academy one of whom tried to do a double leg takedown on Nagato Sensei twice. both times failed. I got this information from Tim Bathurst who was living in Japan at the time.

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    Re: Bujinkan vs. Gracie jiu-jitsu?

    Really? A reincarnation of Takamatsu huh?

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    Re: Bujinkan vs. Gracie jiu-jitsu?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreth View Post
    Wow, next time this one makes the rounds it will be Helio...
    I heard Carlos Gracie Sr. came back from the grave and fought Zombie Takamatsu-sensei in an Undead Cage Match.

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    Re: Bujinkan vs. Gracie jiu-jitsu?

    That would be pretty cool to watch.

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    Re: Bujinkan vs. Gracie jiu-jitsu?

    Quote Originally Posted by Logan View Post
    I'm skeptical of any post that begins with "I heard".
    Not only did I hear my cat pass gas (with a slight "pooh" sound), I actually saw his sphincter open and close.

    Quote Originally Posted by True Austinite View Post
    That would be pretty cool to watch.
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    Re: Bujinkan vs. Gracie jiu-jitsu?

    I am sure any sports ground fighting expert could lay the smack down on any TMA in sports ground fighting. But BJJ is not that hot on traditional weapons...

    Hatsumi VS Royce Gracie ... Hatsumi has large sharp pointy thing .. Royce has BJJ and surf board...

    Votes?

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    Re: Bujinkan vs. Gracie jiu-jitsu?

    I vote the troll off the island.
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