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    Mushi Mushi Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo

    Hello:
    Curious as to why???

    When somebody posts about Kempo on a board that allows Kempo and Kenpo.

    Kenpo going back to Hawaii. Kempo going back to Hawaii. Both going Back to
    James Mitose.

    Kajukenbo should be involved in this discussion also.

    The hostility that comes from the Kenpo side, then it appears the Kempo side will then become hostile also. Or the other way around.

    Either way can we just talk of Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo, explain why you as a person on this board, have your likes and dislikes.

    When referring to this Martial Art, I am talking about Hanshi Bruce Juchnik.
    Since he is the one who has put together both, MACS and SKSKI.

    Both organizations are for the preservation of the teachings of GGM James Mitose, and the harmony of the different Martial Arts.

    You will see it written as: Kosho, Kosho Ryu, Kosho Shorei Ryu.
    Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo. All the above I am referring to.

    Regards, Gary

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    Re: Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo

    Ummm, wow, I am not totally sure what your question is, but I am thinking (correct me if I am wrong) that you are wondering why when people talk of Kempo/kenpo and it leading back to Mitose, they usually don't include Kajunkenbo as part of that past? Is that right?

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    Wink Re: Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo

    O.K.

    maybe I can clear some of this up. What is macs and skski.
    macs stands for martial arts collective society. It is an umbrella organization headed up by Bruce Juchnik. It has members and advisors from many different arts kajukenbo included. It's purpose is to preserve the arts for future generations.

    skski is the sei kosho shorei kai was developed for the preservation of kosho shorei ryu kempo and the teachings of the late James Mitose.

    As far as hostility between kempo/kenpo/kajukenbo groups goes, most of that is directly related to their particular groups agenda. Everyone and I do mean everyone has their own agenda. For example It would seem that the kajukenbo group is pretty much in charge of this A&E special and how it is edited. Has Bruce Juchnik been contacted? He was Mitose's last student. The answer to that is no. Why not?

    Why is it that when given an oppurtunity to have questions answered like did Thomas Young's certificate have kempo spelled with an n or an m? Representatives of that group say that it's just the "juchnik camp" and don't take the time to call Mr. Juchnik and find out.

    Why would someone who said they saw Bruce Juchnik suck at a tournament not be able back that up. Why don't some of the notable martial arts practitioners who were supposedly there come foward to support such a claim. Why doesn't this person call Mr. Juchnik.

    why is it that when I post a private message to people such as these with my private phone # and Mr. Juchniks new school # that we never get calls. Why when giving people an oppurtunity to clear some of the missconceptions up these people don't make the call.

    The answer is agenda , whether it is I'm gonna stand by and support what my teacher said whether it's right or wrong. Or I'm not gonna give any credit to the howlees(sp). Or whether it's follow the money game. Everyones got one I mean everyone. Even people posting on this forum are here for an agenda, many just like to see their name and know that thousands of people will read it. They don't want to answer, either because they don't wan't to be called on their bluff or they don't care.

    Yes that means I have an agenda. It is this; to help clear up misconceptions about my teacher Bruce Juchnik and his last teacher James Mitose. I have seen the evidence forensic,historical, and by other people who were there that leads me to believe that my teacher is who he says he is and that supports that Mitose was who he said he was. I will also say I could be wrong and welcome any input either pro mitose/juchnik or con. If I am wrong I will state it.

    I will also say this once again. I do not endorse or condone any of the criminal activities of James Mitose.

    If anyone has any Questions private message me and I will give you my Phone number or Mr. Juchnik's Phone number and you can call, or you can leave your phone # and I will call you or will forward your # to Mr. Juchnik


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    Mushi Mushi Re: Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo

    Hi Mekosho,
    No that is not what I am saying. I, on purpose made a seperate line to include Kajukenbo.
    They are the ones who like AK want to seperate themselves from GGM James Mitose.
    In my opinion that does not lead to a credible position, since Sijo Emperado has given quite a bit of power to GGM Thomas Barros Mitose in the Kajukenbo organization. Hope that helps. Regards, Gary

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    Re: Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo

    As far as likes and dislikes on Kosho Ryu, all I have is likes, I have studied Kosho for some time and I find it lacking nowhere!

    Now of course, there are many on here that will disagree, and the majority all go back to a time when Mitose visited a Parker school or something like that and the techniques he shared did not impress anyone...now, I have heard that explained this way; The techniques were for very advanced students and so to the untrained eye, they appeared to be useless, and this goes inline with Hanshi Juchnik's teachings that true martial arts looks like an accident, not like flowing flashing hollywood! But then again, who knows for sure except the ones that were really there!
    Another thing I tend to see alot is that Mr. Parker was the inovator of Kempo, that his idea to change kempo to better fit the individual was his totally unique way of thinking...this could be, but my instructor teaches us that Kempo is a study of motion, ALWAYS changing, and that is how it has always been! Again, who knows for sure. What I do know, is by time all is said and done, I will have achieved my rank from a very capable individual, one that has has been ranked or trained under Villari, recieved his fith degree from Cerio, recieved his 6th degree from Grandmaster Robert Hoe, a direct student of Simon Eli, who he has studied under for over 16 years, has been recognized as a BB of Kosho Ryu by Thomas Mitose and is appointed as regional director of the SKSK by Juchnik who also awarded Shihan with his Yudansha...One that I have every confidence in that I am getting the best training possible for me, and one that when he shares his theory or view point of the Kosho Ryu/James Mitose past, I tend to believe him over all the other, "I heard from a friend who knows someone that actually talked to a guy one time that was related to this dude who saw on the internet what really happened way back before most of us were born"!
    Oh, and before I am misread, I mean absolutly NO disrespect to Mr. Parker, he was a great Martial Artist and DID ALOT for Kempo as it is today...

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    Re: Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo

    Here we go again
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    Kajukenbo is NOT a; "if you can afford it, we will award it" system.

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    Re: Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo

    hey mekosho private message me

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    Re: Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo

    Quote Originally Posted by John Bishop
    Here we go again
    good to hear from ya john


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    Mushi Mushi Re: Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo

    To, John Bishop,

    Hi Sigung, Don't you think this is a long over due talk regarding the Honerable standing of the persons (alive) who have all been involved.
    GGM Thomas Barro Mitose
    Hanshi Bruce Juchnik
    10th Dan Ray Arquilla
    et al

    The contemporay setting is all that I am after. These Honorable persons named above and any that want to place themselves among this group, should step forward and explain the position they are in relating to now..
    I know that whipping a dead horse is kind of a negative reply, but I am not taking it as such, because you did reply, that in itself is good enough for me, since I hold you in high regard.. Sincerely, Gary

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    Re: Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo

    Quote Originally Posted by GAB
    To, John Bishop,

    Hi Sigung, Don't you think this is a long over due talk regarding the Honerable standing of the persons (alive) who have all been involved.
    GGM Thomas Barro Mitose
    Hanshi Bruce Juchnik
    10th Dan Ray Arquilla
    et al

    The contemporay setting is all that I am after. These Honorable persons named above and any that want to place themselves among this group, should step forward and explain the position they are in relating to now..
    Sincerely, Gary
    Why?, The debate about who is actually the head of Kosho Ryu Kenpo will outlive all of us.

    Some of the leading players.

    Thomas Barro Mitose
    Everyone who sticks to the party line that "James Mitose was the 21st Great Grandmaster of Kosho Ryu Kenpo" and that it is system that was passed down thru 21 generations of the Mitose family, should have no problems accepting Thomas Barro Mitose as the next head of his own family's system. He was James Mitose's oldest "legitimate" son. Neither of James's siblings, his brother or sister came forward to claim the title. According to James's testimony at his trial, his brother was also in Japan with him training at the family temple.

    Bruce Juchnik
    He was probably the last one to have philosophical and technical discussions with James Mitose before he died. He and several others worked toward attempting to obtain Mitose a parole. They set up the "Kosho Shorei Publishing Co" to show the Parole Board that James would have a legitimate way to make a living if paroled. They also contributed and helped raise funds to pay for Mitose's attorney.

    Nimr Hassan (Terry Lee)
    According to his own testimony he was a private student of James Mitose's for 6-7 weeks. That's 6-7 weeks!!. How much do you learn of a system in 6-7 weeks. His claim to fame is that he was Mitose's last student (before incarceration). According to court records he was promised a 4th degree in return for killing Frank Namimatsu.

    Ray Arquilla
    He was just another guy who visited Mitose in prison. All of the visitors received some type of "Master" certificate. In fact one of the other visitors was only a blue belt, but because he was highly educated, it was felt that he could write many of the documents and correspondances needed for the appeals and parole processes.

    The bigger question is; is there really such a thing as "Kosho Ryu Kenpo"?
    John Bishop

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    Kajukenbo is NOT a; "if you can afford it, we will award it" system.

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    Mushi Mushi Re: Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo

    Hi John,

    There is a person in Ontario Canada. That has a real nice web site who states he is the Hanshi of Kohso Ryu Kempo, His name is Hanshi Richard Buchan.

    I will try to get in touch with him and see where he received his information from?
    I believe Hanshi Bruce and GMM Thomas Mitose still talk, I have a feeling if it was not for Hanshi Bruce, GMM Thomas Mitose whould not have had anything to do with his father.
    Estranged relations are sometimes very hard to over come. If you are to believe Hanshi Bruce (which I do ) he wrote a book about it.

    To Fall Seven To Rise Eight, It is a beautiful written book and is very nice to look at, Dark green Hard cover with Gold embossed letters and The Mon and Chinese or Kanji (your choice) writing, very nice. ( I have it in front of me now), I have read it several times.
    I don't know how someone could have written a book with the type of humility as that, if it was not from the heart.

    Sincerely, Gary

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    Mushi Mushi Re: Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo

    Hi John,
    Back again I just went to the web site of www.koshoryu.com.

    The Web site is Kosho Ryu International, Hanshi Richard Buchan.
    The best I can figure is he is hooked up with Nimer Hassan (terry lee).

    When I checked out his name in Arabic It means (Leopard Assassin or Leopard Gate Keeper) Interesting Huh? Sincerely, Gary
    Last edited by GAB; 08-07-2004 at 07:23 PM.

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    Re: Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo

    Quote Originally Posted by John Bishop
    Ray Arquilla
    He was just another guy who visited Mitose in prison. All of the visitors received some type of "Master" certificate.
    He is certainly not "just another guy."

    The bigger question is; is there really such a thing as "Kosho Ryu Kenpo"?
    Sure there is. It may not be the ancient art that people think it is, but not all are. If there is no kenpo from Mitose, you are left with Kajubo.

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    Re: Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo

    The group your talking about in Canada used to be part of Hanshi Juchnik's group I think they have kinda skipped around to Thomas Barros and maybe later to Hassan, I'll ask Hanshi about them.

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    Re: Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo

    I actually have a technical question for you Mr. Bishop. When and where were the pinon katas that Kajukenbo does developed they are drasticly different than any of the japanese/okinawan versions I have seen.

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